Christians Fighting With Other Christians - with links to music


Lug 5 2008, 15:35

I'm reposting this because I wanted the entry to be connected, but I didn't know how to.

I can't stand it when Christians tell other Christians that they are not saved. Recently I've recently gotten into a discussion with other Christians over this. The issue was over Roman Catholics, and whether or not they can be saved.

Several people in the group said that no Roman Catholic is saved. I strongly disagreed with them.

When I was in college, some of my closest friends were Catholics, and they actually had a stronger faith in Christ than most of my Protestant Christian friends, and they also encouraged me and supported my own relationship with Christ more than my Protestant friends...

One of them...when I was upet at dinner once, called me right aftwards and asked if she could pray with me and stuff...and she did...and she read out of the Bible.

Another of my Catholic friends was my accountabilty partner...and she too encouraged me to grow in my faith

Another one was a guy who, when I was struggling with my emotional wounds from my past, comforted me and reminded me that I was bought with Jesus' blood

So I just wanted to say that not all Catholics are non-Christian or are not born again. There's also certain stuff that I totally disagree with as far as the Catholic church is concerned, but Catholics CAN still be Christian.

I admit that there are a lot of Catholics who have no clue what salvation is, but then again, neither do a lot of Protestants. I was raised in a mainline Protestant church, but I never once heard the gospel message there, and no one ever talked about a personal relationship with Christ, or anything that God had done for them in their lives. Faith was a very private thing, and no one wanted to talk about sin or grace...because they didn't want to offend anyone. They started a "contemporary" service, and decided that God shouldn't be a part of it. They covered up the cross (because they didn't want any "weird or confusing symbols that no one would understand), and the pastor just talked about himself....and didn't even mention Jesus.

Biblically, if someone declares that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior, then that person is a Christian! If the person has surrendered their life to Him, asked Him into their hearts. Anyone who places their faith (trust) in Him for their salvation is saved. It doesn't matter what denomination they belong to or whether or not they are Catholic or Protestant.

Christianity is all about the personal relationship that can only come by faith in Jesus Christ. We are saved by grace through faith....

I have been labeled a non-Christian because I believe that my Roman Catholic friends are saved. That's fine...other people can think I'm not saved if they want to, but they are not Jesus.

Honestly, we Christians get into fights over the stupidest doctrinal differences (the method of baptism, denominational beliefs, versions of the Bible that should be used, methods of worship - contempoary or hymns.....) None of that really matters. We are all one in Christ Jesus.

I'm sick of all the fighting.

Now, granted, there are heresies which go against biblical Christianity - Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Oneness Pentecostals, theologically liberal Christians....anyone who denies the Trinity, denies the bodily resurrection of Jesus, and Jesus' death on the cross as atonement for sin......the reason those groups are heretical is because they deny the most essential Christian beliefs.

Fighting over what version of the Bible a person uses is stupid. All versions carry the same message. Of coruse it's fine to prefer one version over another. Everyone does that...but to say that one version is the one and only version and that all other versions are corrupt....that causes an unnescessary barrier among Christians.

Also, while I believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, including tongues, it upsets me when other Christians say that a person who does not speak in tongues is not saved. That's not biblical. The only thing that is required for salvation, in the Christian understanding, is faith in Jesus Christ.

It also annoys me when people who do not believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit to claim that Christians who do practice the gifts are going to hell for practicing them. They're claiming that the gifts are of demonic origin...which is just as unbiblical.

I've heard both arguments from people (you must speak in tongues to be saved and you cannot use the gifts or you go to hell).

Seriously, we need to unite over the only thing that matters...the thing that we all have in common - our faith in the triune God of the Bible, in Jesus Christ's life, death, and resurrection, and all the promises that we have in Him, and in His 2nd coming...all the hope we share.

Just think how much good we could do if we all united together instead of being divided over trivial things. As it is right now, we're setting a bad example for non-Christians.

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  • wimme

    For the christians who tell others [b]who's saved and who not[/b], I've found a number of verses they should read. These verses about "[b]who's saved and who not[/b]" seem to indicate that it's entirely God's business. They also seem to link the subject of salvation with "[i]God's purpose[/i]". Here's the link again to these verses.

    Lug 22 2008, 13:59
  • RageofAnath

    The thing that drives me nuts about the "speaking in tongues" business is that the majority of the people who think they are "speaking in tongues", are NOT. They're yammering in a gibberish language, and that is NOT "tongues". Tongues is the case of the apostles who went out and preached the word, and everyone in the crowd could understand regardless of language, not raising your arms and shouting "JEEESUS amonashantiakakatia!" I don't know where these people got their definition of "tongues", but it certainly wasn't in the Bible, and they are misleading entire congregations as a result. When I learned about the gifts of the Holy Spirit in CCD, we were taught that everyone got a different "set". Some people got more of this, some people got more of that, some people got five, and others got one, but it would be given out accordingly based on each persons' aptitudes and purpose in life. This might not be "accurate" or "correct" to many sects but I figure, if the "gifts" are "real", the way I learned it seems the most reasonable way.

    Ago 6 2008, 16:27
  • wimme

    Speaking in tongues really existed in the early churches of Corinth (1 Corinthians 14:1-19, you'll find also the definition of tongues here), really different from the language miracle in Acts 2:1-11. They edified in first instance only the person who spoke it but when interpreted, also the church. However, I find no suggestion that this phenomenon ever existed outside those churches or any time after the Bible was completed. I'm quite convinced that the phenomenon as it has reappeared a few decades ago has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. If today, you go outside the Bible for whatever reason, you wouldn't be edifying, but deceiving.

    Ago 10 2008, 20:22
  • Arwen4CJ

    thanks , wimme

    Ott 20 2008, 1:17
  • Arwen4CJ

    RageofAnath, Let me be very clear, I'm not arguing against speaking in tongues, but what I am arguing against is the people who overemphasize it. There are Christians out there who claim that tongues are THE SIGN that someone has been filled with the Holy Spirit. There are also others who say that tongues are the proof of salvation....and yet who go even farther by saying that if you don't speak in tongues you aren't saved. I'm also against people who put on a big show...."look at me, I can speak in tongues." These Christians tend to view those who speak in tongues as being better Christians than those who do not. I do believe that tongues is a spiritual gift -- that it happened in biblical times and that it still is a gift that the Holy Spirit can give to people if He chooses. Not everyone who speaks in tongues is speaking gibberish. But, as Paul said, tongues should not be overemphasized. In his list of gifts, tongues was at the very bottom. Paul refuted people who wanted to overemphasize it in 1 Corinthians. All Christians who want to say that the ability to speak in tongues is a marker of a superior Christian should read all of 1 Corinthians and see what Paul says on the matter!! I tend to agree with you about spiritual gifts -- I believe that the Holy Spirit distributes them just as He wills, and that He gives them for the good of building up the church. I think He does have a different plan for each person, and so people are going to get different sets of gifts, and to different degrees. This is apparent in Jesus' parable of the talents.

    Ott 20 2008, 1:28
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