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  • michael_yatesy

    Never enough is literally perfect. Just like everything else about TDC. But even as a standalone song, literally perfect. bow down.

    settimana scorsa
  • shodan21

    also i like it :(

    15 giorni fa
  • shodan21

    v its a single.

    15 giorni fa
  • DorianVonEden

    Since no one (that I know of) seems to like Never Enough, how come it's still hovering up in the top three? D:

    16 giorni fa
  • borealda

    Sensacional!

    27 giorni fa
  • jeffncosta

    Simone Simons 💙💙💙💙❤️

    29 giorni fa
  • EmeraldIsland

    WOW !!!! that song always embraced my heart with warm love

    mese scorso
  • DorianVonEden

    v Yep, it was Cry With A Smile on the self-titled album. It's my overall favourite AF song, but cats are still the best. <3

    mese scorso
  • Clandestine-Ene

    Didn't mean to turn it into a rant wow :D Well to continue the topic, didn't Floor write a song about her dead dog for AF? I'm not sure on which album it was

    mese scorso
  • Clandestine-Ene

    I remember someone saying pictures from DYU photoshoots didn't fit their musical image. Because they were bright, high quality and included close-ups, apparently. But i guess those were the same people complaining who also thought Simone's make-up hobby wasn't metal enough, henceforth meaning she was in the band only for money and attention. I find it weird so many people still think metal music should always mean some kind of a lifestyle, where everyone has to look and act the same cliched way to be accepted.

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  • nDroae

    and a one - two - three - four

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  • michael_yatesy

    absolutely. cats are a lot more metal too!

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  • DorianVonEden

    A cat would be better. Because cats ARE better.

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  • enderman22

    a dog doesnt fit their musical image :|

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  • Antiadore

    All of their albums are amazing in their own way. [3]

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  • michael_yatesy

    All of their albums are amazing in their own way. [2] Definitely the best symphonic metal band ever and very impressive that over 10 years after their debut album they are still on top of their game! (unlike Nightwish f.e.).

    mese scorso
  • Cyanide1992

    All of their albums are amazing in their own way.

    mese scorso
  • thrasher86

    @michael_yatesy agree Menace of Vanity is wicked! TDC is probably their best album for me. You can hear the change in sound on DYU, not a bad thing but definitely has some similarities with Nevermore's guitar work on their album this Godless Endeavour. RFTI is a great album with Monopoly on Truth, I prefer it over TQE even though there are still some great songs there as well.

    mese scorso
  • Archanoth

    Yeah, definitely. Not to mention the heavy oriental melodies and vibes (most of this due to The Embrace That Smothers series), which are almost entirely absent from the other Epica albums.

    mese scorso
  • michael_yatesy

    I do agree with you; TPA has the most gothic sound and no Epica album is close to actually being gothic metal album in any sense anyway. But something about the interplay of vocals and the instrumentation on certain tracks of TDC does sound closer to the TPA sound to me than to CTO or DYU.

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  • Archanoth

    The only album I get a strong gothic atmosphere from is The Phantom Agony, which I think is what makes it really memorable for me, even though almost everything else they've made since then is better.

    mese scorso
  • michael_yatesy

    what a shame for you. i think what i like about it is that it retains a bit of a gothic atmosphere that was most present in Mark's AF albums which was entirely replaced in DYU and beyond by the prog influences

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  • nDroae

    I discovered Epica just after TDC was released. 2.5/10 do not care

    mese scorso
  • michael_yatesy

    And Menace of Vanity is awesome!

    mese scorso
  • michael_yatesy

    Could be that I discovered Epica just before TDC was released so it's the album I have fondest memories. Never Enough is only bad until you accept that it's literally a catchy pop song with some guitars thrown in, and then you can appreciate it for what it is. Shorter songs are really always going to be overshadowed by long songs but IMO all songs on TDC are great; the longer ones nicely progressive and the shorter ones all really catchy. TDC itself is a little overlong though, I'll give you that. TQE does everything it does perfectly but I miss the presence of longer more progressive songs like Obsessive Devotion, Fools of Damnation, Monopoly on Truth, etc. Sense without sanity is great but TQE was pretty underwhelming and one of their least impressive closers.

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  • Pyfesgh

    Living a Lie is one of their best and most meaningful songs ever dude. Also what's with all the hate for CTO?

    mese scorso
  • Archanoth

    TDC has some of the catchiest and most melodic Epica songs though. But TQE kinda dethroned them in that regard (and DYU did an amazing job with that too). I'm starting to get excited about the next album, but I dunno what to expect. I'm still hoping they do a proper concept album someday, that would be awesome.

    mese scorso
  • Archanoth

    I'd argue that TDC has some of the worst songwriting from Epica (though CTO is probably worse). There are way too many filler songs, as well as some songs being really similar to each other, and some of them being overly repetitive or having extremely long instrumental sections (the title track is guilty of this). Never Enough is bad, Menace of Vanity and Living a Lie are weak compared to The Obsessive Devotion and Fools of Damnation, and Safeguard to Paradise is probably one of their dullest ballads. That being said, it's still a great album and I find it to be the "career changer" or the turning point for Epica (and DYU further cemented this) as a genre-defining band, but holy shit is it flawed or what. Chasing the Dragon is probably the best thing to come out of that album though. They still haven't really made anything like it.

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  • michael_yatesy

    I want an return to every aspect of the TDC sound and songwriting (without a return to Sascha). TQE is great and one of their best but it's pretty typical Epica and not exactly revolutionary.

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  • Clandestine-Ene

    Yeah i preferred some of the bonus tracks to actual album tracks too. It sort of feels like TQE just came out, even though i've been playing it a lot. Can't get tired of it. The only thing i expect and wish for the next album is for the production to stay good. They will probably record it in the same studio and let Hansen mix it again so it will be good.

    mese scorso
  • shodan21

    v some of the tqe bonus tracks (in all conscience, especially) were totally better than some of the tqe actual tracks, which is fairly impressive.

    mese scorso
  • nDroae

    I guess I kinda forgot that Epica will be putting out another album about a year from now, recordings starting this December.... https://www.facebook.com/epica/photos/a.273404842923.133806.8031842923/10152742778022924/ Expectations what? As far as I'm concerned, they just revitalized and revolutionized my favorite genre with the last one. That earns a free pass for whatever. Even an album that sounds like TQE rejects would be great. (Or an album that sounds like the actual TQE B-sides....) Sure, it would be nice to have a really great epic track on this one. But I don't feel entitled to ask for anything. :P

    mese scorso
  • rustandsoul

    I love TQE but not as much as I love CTO and DYU. Both albums contains the most remarkable Epica songs, imo -- Blank Infinity, Dance of Fate, Unleashed, Kingdom of Heaven, Mother of Light, Consign to Oblivion (just to name a few). I don't like Trois Vierges on the first listen, but loved it after a while. If I were to compare TV vs WW, TV is my choice! While I like Simone's voice more in WW (sounds like she's actually underwater), I still think that TV has more appeal to me! And Roy Khan is thereeeee!!!

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  • nDroae

    The greatest YouTube link that has ever been posted in this shoutbox

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  • shodan21

    v politics, etc.

    mese scorso
  • nDroae

    Haha, I didn't even think of that while reading his post. We can't undo what has been done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hW7EfiBwm0 A lot of us were surprised when it turned out to be about suicide, rather than society, industry, consumerism, etc.

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  • michael_yatesy

    Pyfesgh perhaps you listened to the version of Serenade where the lead vocals had been left out on the misprinted editions of the album?

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  • Clandestine-Ene

    I think if RFTI had the some production as TQE had, that album would be lot more popular. The production isn't CTO bad, but it's alright. Then again, if RFTI had been super popular they might have not changed their working methods or producer.

    Maggio 2015
  • Pyfesgh

    @Clandenstine-Ene I didn't mean that TQE was "simpler" by saying it was basic, I just meant it's probably easier to get into if you're not used to Epica. I'd disagree that they haven't ever had drastic changes. Yeah, they always have been symphonic metal but their sound has always been changing for the better (TQE) or worse (RFTI).

    Maggio 2015
  • MetalismRecords

    Russian female fronted Symphonic Power Metal band R-GENIUM is set to release their 2nd album "Wonderful Wonderful World" on May 30th, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOpsbmJVLhs

    Maggio 2015
  • nDroae

    US tour with Eluveitie? REALLY? REALLY?!?!? How is something that good even possible in real life America ._.

    Maggio 2015
  • Clandestine-Ene

    I wouldn't call TQE "basic" by any means, it's symphonic metal on acid with perfect production. Plus the lyrics are still meaningful. I think they still play music quite similar to what they did on TPA, they just evolved and got more adventurous musicians to join the band to enhance the sound. That's one of my favorite things about Epica, they haven't changed their style ever drastically, just improved on it and added new elements.

    Maggio 2015
  • Pyfesgh

    @michael_yatesy I actually tried Serenade and while it was good, it was mostly instrumental and didn't quite hit it for me. @trasher86 their single best album is The Phantom Agony but it also has the most unique and different style to modern symph metal music, leaning more symphonic, and it's also a very meaningful album in terms of lyrics. If you want just basic badass symphonic epic metal try The Quantom Enigma which is bombastic enough for any metalhead to enjoy.

    Maggio 2015
  • nDroae

    1. Delirium 2. Nostalgia 3. Avalanche 4. Monopoly on Truth (TQEKOH2 somewhere around here) 5. Deep Water Horizon 6. Twin Flames

    Maggio 2015
  • michael_yatesy

    ??? !!! ???. what other RFTI songs could you possibly be talking about.

    Maggio 2015
  • nDroae

    I've tried to get him to give it some more listens, but he refuses. I like TQE (song) more than SoSD, though I like other tracks on RFTI more than either ;P

    Maggio 2015
  • michael_yatesy

    @shodan21 and anyone else who has not given RFTI much of a chance: please listen to Serenade of Self-Destruction!!! Easily beats TQE (song) as being a better closing track.

    Maggio 2015
  • Cyanide1992

    beautiful [3]

    Maggio 2015
  • EmeraldIsland

    the Paradiso DVD show in 2006 must be released it sounds hell much better then retrospect

    Maggio 2015
  • behnam91

    I hope someday they could release the video of the Classical Conspiracy and also the Paradiso show in 2006!

    Maggio 2015