Russia. Are they good or bad?

I've been trying to understand the world, doing my best to filter unbiased truth from bullshit.
However its tough work and I hope someone's willing to share links and knowledge about the subject and save me thousands of google link clicks.

My personal impression so far has been that people are pretty much black or white about the subject. If you don't like the US/Israel( the way they do politics) then you support Russia. Or at least thats what I made out from the internet.

I think that Russia protecting Ossetia(sp?) is justified even tho they wanted to separate from Georgia. All of their population want independence and are Russians by heritage, so obviously they can't live with being part of nato.

I don't like what Russians did in Chechnya however, and it feels to me that they are almost as bad imperialists as the US.
Basically it feels to me like USA, China and Russia really want to boss the world around and are bickering over who gets to do that.
But I don't know the facts, thats just a feeling based on little information.

Can you guys help me make up my mind? Tell me what you think. Enlighten me on what Russia's been doing since WW2 as well as some correct information on the cold war and stuff.

A few useful links so I can get educated enough to take a confident stand on the subject.


I'm from Bulgaria, which really wants to be America's bitch officialy, but has always been Russia's bitch, local mafia all have Russian bosses and shit. I started hating Bush after they attacked our neighbors Serbia which are the only Balkans country with a backbone. I've been to the US, mostly Boston, and I really love the country, I hope Americans wake up and don't let people like McCain and Obama waste their country for the beliefs of zionist jews. I finished a Russian school and Russians I studied with were great people too, most jews I met are also decent people.

It really makes me sad that the governments of so many countries don't serve the majority of people in them, but a number of malignant people's interests instead.

Is the world so easily exploited by bad people? I believe that even tho everyone has flaws, the average human being is a very nice person. What can I do as a single person to help make this world a safe and better place?

Agreed.
Not everyone knows, why there's so many russian people in Osetia and Abhasia. They are native russian provinces, but they were added to Georgia by Stalin in 1931. They don't really belong to Georgia. When idiot Saakashwili attacked them the russian intervention was matter of time. As You said, Russia is another imperialist regime as USA, China, European Union but this intervence was justified.
That's why I'm sick of people, who flies there and tell bulshit only to kick Russia. People like some presidents (f.e. Ukraine, Poland...).

p.s. @seish: Bulgaria maybe is licking America's ass now, but take a look, what is happening in other countries like Czech Republic or Poland. That's even worse.

Just to clear up a few things, South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not native Russian provinces, but ancient regions of Georgia. Abkhazia has been populated by Georgian and other Caucasian tribes since the Colchis / Iberia era, the two being ancient states of Georgia. Southern Ossetia used to be known as Samachablo, a historic region of Georgia. Read Wikipedia if you don't believe me, I'm not making this up.

And Stalin's granting of autonomy status to the regions is much different from annexation.

Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia as they stand now are internationally recognized regions of Georgia. Not Russia or any other country in the world has the right to overthrow local governments there, invade and destroy innocent civilians' homes and property, distribute their passports on that territory, fuel separatist regimes, and force residents out of there.

I'm not for Russia, US or NATO, or any other "empire" annexing / controlling / choosing the fate of Georgia or its regions - I'm for the country's independence.

As for Russia being good or bad - that's up to you to decide and conclude. There are always two sides to a story, no matter how right or wrong one side may be.

Good luck and peace.

First of all, I should introduce myself as a person who lives in Russia, so I'm going to describe the things they are seen from here. I don't support Putin or Medvedev, but I support their decisions about Ossetia.
In Russia I couldn't find people who anyhow support Georgia (I mean the Saakashwili team), even people who hate their country and the government are against. Saakashwili is surely a freakin' nazi who ruthlessly killed thousands of innocent ossetians when they were sleeping. The majority of ossetians were against being a part of Georgia since 1991, when the Soviet Union ended it's existence.
In western news there always been reports showing the "city of Gori, ruined by russian forces" and that is a complete fake. Everybody who had ever been to Tskhinvali would immediately recognize that the city in the report is actually city of Tskhinvali, ruined by georgian forces. That's the best evidence of what the real situation is.
Russian forces just protected ossetians and abkhazians of being killed by Saakashwili, so don't shit about some imperialistic stuff. Russian forces do the same thing as in 40-s - we're stopping facism, Saakashwili made genocide upon ossetians (even upon his relatives - his cousins are ossetians) and russian authorities just protect these nations, as you can see neither South Ossetia nor Abkhazia are parts of Russian Federation now, so it can't be called imperialism.

If you have any questions don't refuse to ask me by private message.

We should just nuke 'em all commies.

Russia is bad. They abuse their people and have done since the revolution. You may think the US etc is the same but in the US people can express their dissatisfaction about the government, in Russia they cannot. The people of South Ossetia were given passports so Russia had an excuse to invade Georgia. I'm not saying that other countries are much better but the poorer people of Russia have a horrible life.

Oh, my God) Forget about the Soviet country, just like we forgot about it:)
P.s. We do not have bears and the south is very warm:))

XxXxDdDdXxXx пишет:
i hate russian.. she is communist and nasty country..
Get da fuck out from here dumb! What do u talking about?! U never been in Russia!!! U know nothing about this country. Shut up matherfucker!!! I shit on you and ur stupid mind!!!

Simbirella пишет:
Russia in principle do not need love. No one asked. Just do not be afraid of so much of us. After all, we have not yet been touched, we did not do that. So history shows.
And I would like to say that it would be cool if the president of the United States became Barack Obama.
Peace:)

По-моему Обама такой же мудак как и все остальные претинденты на пост президента США. Хотя если из всех зол выбирать меньшее, то конечно же Обама молодец.

Its not just Obama vs McCain

Google and the media are really contributing to conditioning people into believing they have no chance to make a difference. There is a trend going on suggesting smart people don't vote
because they know everything is already decided, but I think that not voting or not opposing certain policies is like agreeing to whatever happens in your country, which is just as bad as voting for those same people you hate.

People like Putin(he's behind Medvedev anyway), McCain, Bush etc. are frightening because they have their ides about shaping the world to their vision of it and would go to any extent to do so. But at least in Putin's case his goal is to improve Russia, while the guys that rule/will ruse USA act like Hitler wannabes and just want to fuck up the world, as you said - "all lies, patriot acts, wars, corruption and shadow governments."

Во бля уроды! Не были в Россия а бля что-то еще говорят!

All I'll say about the Russian government is this: They have directly funded Al Qaeda. That is where the terrorists get a good portion of their weapons. Look at it this way, the AK-47? Soviet made, RPG Launchers? Soviet made, Ammunition? Soviet made. The Soviet movement is alive and well, adn leaders over there are actively trying to make the country Soviet once more. They hate America enough to directly fund Terrorism. I'm sorry, but no matter what way you cut this, its bad. No matter how you feel about any war is Middle East, I will tell you this much, whatever you think of Iraq there is a strong Al Qaeda presence over there, they are also in Afghanistan and Israel. There are Al Qaeda cells in America and we know where they are. But the liberals won't let us take them out, even though we have concrete evidence that they are plotting treasonous acts of terrrorism against the US.

Little tangent there but moral of the story? Russian Government = bad

Disclaimer: Russia is ok, its the government thats bad. Just fyi